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| Sorry guys...I didn't mean for this to turn into a union/non-union debate. I do have a question though. What does everyone think is a fair wage for the following credentials:
Tech with 3 Years experience
BICSI Level 2 Tech with 3 years experience
BICSI RCDD with 10 years experience
Erik Lubinger, RCDD
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LEK Technology Group, LLC
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| Junior58er (9/1/2011)
chobbs74 (8/31/2011)
Junior,
That may be the case with your local, but where we are at, they don't have qualified union personnel trained in low voltage work. You also seem to have anger at non-union personnel as well. We have over 30 techs, many BICSI trained and ALL trained internally and manufacturer trained. I would be more than willing to place any of my crews against yours. Our company also offers benefits, paid time off, and other perks as well as a good wage.
There is another good choice for personnel if you need them, especially in the south, contact your local Independent Electrical Contractor (IEC) and they can assist you. It is a non union organization that offers apprentice and journeyman training for electrical and low voltage installers.
Regards,Based on your companies installation photos, zip ties, zero cable entry support, top cable entry into 110 backboard managers..... looks like you technicians leaned nothing in their Bicsi class nor others apparently. My guys would be happy to show yours the proper way to build a TC. When your guys can wire an NFL stadium, MLB baseball stadium, or a major airport come talk to me. BTW, your Bicsi techs probably make half of what mine do minus the two union pensions. I also worked non-union and the skills you think that your installers have fall short to what a union trained technician can do. I've been on both sides and have seen both. Jason, you sure have angst! While I like that, be careful with your rants as they might bite and not let go. Tell me again how stadiums and an airport make "you guys" the best.
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| Junior58er (9/1/2011)
chobbs74 (8/31/2011)
Junior,
That may be the case with your local, but where we are at, they don't have qualified union personnel trained in low voltage work. You also seem to have anger at non-union personnel as well. We have over 30 techs, many BICSI trained and ALL trained internally and manufacturer trained. I would be more than willing to place any of my crews against yours. Our company also offers benefits, paid time off, and other perks as well as a good wage.
There is another good choice for personnel if you need them, especially in the south, contact your local Independent Electrical Contractor (IEC) and they can assist you. It is a non union organization that offers apprentice and journeyman training for electrical and low voltage installers.
Regards,Based on your companies installation photos, zip ties, zero cable entry support, top cable entry into 110 backboard managers..... looks like you technicians leaned nothing in their Bicsi class nor others apparently. My guys would be happy to show yours the proper way to build a TC. When your guys can wire an NFL stadium, MLB baseball stadium, or a major airport come talk to me. BTW, your Bicsi techs probably make half of what mine do minus the two union pensions. I also worked non-union and the skills you think that your installers have fall short to what a union trained technician can do. I've been on both sides and have seen both. Yes, the photo is of a Cat3/Cat5 installation that was taken in 1998. It needs to be taken down. Not sure what 110 panel installation you are looking at, since the cables come from behind the 110 blocks. Can't say we have wired an NFL stadium, or a MLB stadium. We have wired major aiports, and fixing to start another one, and over 20 COMPLETE military bases, not just one or two buildings. If you read what I stated, it may be the case with YOUR local, but it is not the case where we are, or for most of the south. Perhaps you should READ more and see what I was saying and not rant about how great the union is. Our guys make good money for the area. If you are based in the North wages are a lot higher due to a higher cost of living. Oh, and government work is scale, so my guys make the same as union guys most of the time, in fact they generally make more because they don't have all the fees associated with the union, so their take home pay is greater. Regards,
Christopher Hobbs RCDD, RTPM(i) Sr. Project Manager Progressive Tech Inc. 3750 Old Getwell Rd. Memphis, TN 38118 (901) 382-1416: Office (901) 386-9963: Fax (901) 734-0380: Cell |
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| Captain Cable (9/2/2011)
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chobbs74 (8/31/2011)
Junior,
That may be the case with your local, but where we are at, they don't have qualified union personnel trained in low voltage work. You also seem to have anger at non-union personnel as well. We have over 30 techs, many BICSI trained and ALL trained internally and manufacturer trained. I would be more than willing to place any of my crews against yours. Our company also offers benefits, paid time off, and other perks as well as a good wage.
There is another good choice for personnel if you need them, especially in the south, contact your local Independent Electrical Contractor (IEC) and they can assist you. It is a non union organization that offers apprentice and journeyman training for electrical and low voltage installers.
Regards,Based on your companies installation photos, zip ties, zero cable entry support, top cable entry into 110 backboard managers..... looks like you technicians leaned nothing in their Bicsi class nor others apparently. My guys would be happy to show yours the proper way to build a TC. When your guys can wire an NFL stadium, MLB baseball stadium, or a major airport come talk to me. BTW, your Bicsi techs probably make half of what mine do minus the two union pensions. I also worked non-union and the skills you think that your installers have fall short to what a union trained technician can do. I've been on both sides and have seen both.
Jason, you sure have angst! While I like that, be careful with your rants as they might bite and not let go.
Tell me again how stadiums and an airport make "you guys" the best. Did I say we were the best? Most smaller non-union cabling shops do not have the skills nor the manpower to do extremely large scale projects from the ground up. That does include airports, stadiums, Vegas style Casinos, Steel mills, new hospitals, Large major auto plant builds..... we do. Most non-union cable shops do not have the skill and/or knowhow to run mile+ long underground (manhole) type fiber installations and multipair splicing. Does it make us the best/ I never said that. Does it make us better to have the knowledge and skills to do the above vs. small non-union shops..... Absolutely! Cabling a small commercial or industrial building or medical building and putting up a rack and 110 block is small potatoes. Union telecom workers like myself are also Bicsi technicians, vendor certified, plus the required 3 plus years of schooling and class time. A Bicsi tech with three years of industry experience in a non-union shop is more limited in their knowledge, true experience, and capabilities then even some of you must know apparently. A week long Bicsi class doesn't make you the cream of the crop either. Btw you mentioned angst? How about tired of the mass sterotyping and assult on unions in the country for a reason ...... I have every right to respond the way I do in regards to some of the earlier posters from this dead thread from a year ago. I stand by what I say. |
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